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Stockfish 14 + NNUE vs Chessmaster 2000
C90 Ruy Lopez, closed (with …d6)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.a4 Bg4 10.h3 bxa4 11.Bxa4 Bxf3 12.Qxf3 Na5 13.b4 Nc4 14.Bc6 Rb8 15.d3 Rb6 16.Ba4 d5 17.dxc4 dxe4 18.Qe3 Qa8 19.c5 Rbb8 20.Bc2 Rfd8 21.Nd2 Nd5 22.Qxe4 Nxc3 23.Qxh7+ Kf8 24.Qh8#
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In these games, what would be amazing is if the lower rated software managers a win or draw.
Nice video, quite interesting and nostalgic. The program I grew up playing against was BattleChess 4000. I'd be curious to see how that fairs, maybe in competition vs some of the other early chess programs, as I'm sure modern engines will just decimate old chess programs.
0:57 did you seriously just decide to not edit that part out? Lol
This is like TCEC Bonus rounds where they have top engines Stockfish, Leela, Komodo play weaker engines. See GM Matthew Sandler's channel Silicon Road for game analyses.
Zarkov! I can get you a copy.
Many, many years ago, I pitted Chessmaster 2100 against Maphisto Chess Genius 3. Mephisto is now long forgotten, but back then it was the top engine, in a different class compared to Chessmaster, and I remember how differently they evaluated positions. At some point, Chessmaster grabbed some material and was fairly confident that it was winning. Mephisto, on the other hand, saw that as a blunder. For several moves, each of the engines claimed to be winning, until Chessmaster finally started to realize that there was trouble.
After that, chess engines had several more generational leaps, as Mephisto was superseded by Rybka, then Rybka by Stockfish "classic" and it by the latest NNUE enhanced variants (and there were certainly other noteworthy engines, but I chose these as good representatives of their generations).
Brutal! Chessmaster refused to move lol. Reminds me of my Uncle who used to flip the board over everytime he was losing…
Yeah, NES chessmaster is pretty weak. On the 60/5 setting, I've beat it a couple times and I'm only a class C player. In particular it seems to undervalue passed pawns, especially as they near promotion; one tactic I beat it with was where it thought I wanted to trade rooks, but instead of taking back the rook, I played PxN which also got the pawn to the 6th or 7th rank and it later had to sac its rook to stop me from getting a queen.
Master lost 15 years different
Spends 3.5 minutes explaining why Stockfish is the more powerful engine in every way.
Gives stockfish the white pieces…
to put a backtracking algorithm fight NNUE looks pretty much like Charge at Krojanty
I bought a copy of CM for my PC when I was in college. This must have been in 1993 or so. It came with an option to join the USCF back when they had a deal where you were locked into a payment of twice the normal yearly dues, but if you paid it for ten years, you became a life member. Even though I was a poor college kid I forked over the $90 (I think that was the amount) and after ten years of that, I because a life member. Pretty good deal, I'd say! Still, I could never beat the CM and even when I set up tournaments with some of its lesser personalities I rarely did well. It was fun, though– I wish I'd kept the game, but it has been lost to time.
I love the thought that a computer is fuming, and refusing to make a move!! How childishly human is that! 😂😂
0:16 But stockfish 15 was released in April of this year
Would be interesting to see a matchup of CM GM edition against the NES 1991 version.
you talk too much!
1991 CM I had at least a 10 percent winning record with takebacks. Fun times
That Chessmaster NES Level 1 still kicks MY ass so this is going to be delicious to watch. Watching it refuse to make a saving move because it knows its screwed. That's when I know I got it beat.
I really liked the Chessmaster GUIs. Though, it could not run long tournaments with the personalities. I think it was limited to 11 rounds?
I saw the strangest thing watching Chessmaster one day. A piece, slid off the board and off the screen. Strangest thing ever. That was on my old 66mhz 486 PC. Chessmaster 2100, I think.
I really liked Power Chess (the engine was Wchess), where the queen analyzes the game verbally after. Fantastic voice too. Not many options, though.
Why not black plays pawn to g6 to prevent checkmate?
Chessmaster vs Andrea Botez would be a good match
Grumpy old man Chessmaster refusing to take the Loss. 🤣 Reminds me of playing in the park in New York City where some of those "hustlers" can't take Ls either.
Had Chessmaster on the Commodore 64! :')
In 1991, if you start beating the best computer it would just rage quit and softlock the game
1,2,3,4,5? I played chessmaster 6000 😀
Maybe try Chess Ultra for PS4 against Stockfish 14? That might be a more difficult match for stock 🐠?
I'd like to see Battle Chess vs. CM9000
Would wanna see this with like Queen odds
The 1991 Chessmaster kind of resembles the older Russian guy who plays against the actress in Queen's Gambit, in the very final scene of the show (the outdoors scene, after she runs out of the car that was going to take her to the airport).
Oh you really straggle to speak
I had Arasan 5.4 in windows 98. Only old chess engine what i am used.
#suggestion Arasan 5.4
I remember playing Chess Master 2000 & Colossus Chess 4.0 on my Atari 800 XL, but eventually, I could beat both at 30 min per side settings. Colossus has better engine, ChM2000 better UI and more options (graphical, game I/O, etc..). Sweet memories.
Battle chess on the amiga was awsome
Please try the Kasparov small black chess computer (circa '92?) that opened like a book and had a rounded edge to load the AAA batteries into!
You could at least have given the white pieces to chessmaster 😂
this is what chessmaster would do to me. 24 move checkmate
I beat the DS version legitimately a couple times but you could cheese it if you set the minimum time limit and survived about 40 moves
NES? Even for 1991 that was a toy computer, more comparable to a 1980 computer.
I used a Gary Kasparov chess computer in the 1990s, it had the same problem that it took FOREVER to find a move when it was losing (unless you had it set to bullet). I also was a bit naughty, in the early 2000s before there was such a thing as online chess matchmaking services, using the computer to play against flesh opponents in MSN Messenger chess 😉
Nes programmer of CM is David Kittinger. CM for nes uses a very similar or idential version of 6502/ Novag Constellation , but in a cpu more slower 1.79mhz .
"Chessmaster isn't as good as I thought" LOL
that's like pairing Magnus against Stockfish and then saying:
"Magnus isn't as good as i thought"
Would have been nice if you had switched their pieces and given Stockfish black pieces when chessmaster froze up, just to see if stock fish can salvage the position for a win
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i always loved the ending melody (funeral march) it felt great both for wining and loosing
I doubt there is much difference in the engine decisions between NES and C64 versions. Both have same CPU I think (or similar)
Very amusing, and not surprising at all, since I was a programmer on every Chessmaster version from CM5500 to CM9000 (1996-2002). Working with IM Josh Waitzkin, GM Larry Evans, GM Yasser Seirawan, and GM Larry Christiansen was always a great privilege. Thanks for bringing back the memories!